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    Music through the lens of an anthropologist: An Interview with Daniyal Ahmed

    Written by: Farheen Abdullah
    Posted on: December 29, 2020 |

    Daniyal (centre) jamming with band members Reda (left) and Dara (Right)

    Recently in Pakistan, there have been attempts to rehabilitate or reintroduce folk music to the public. One common misconception about folk music is that it is seen as a genre, easily comparable to others like pop or rock music. Most of us do not realize is that folk music has existed long before genres, and incorporates sounds from all influences.

    Daniyal Ahmed remains one of the few people who continue to explore folk music in Pakistan, by choosing a Bansuri (flute) as his companion. A musician and professor of anthropology, Daniyal caught the attention of the public with his passionate musical performances on social media. Reflecting on his journey in the last few years, Daniyal spoke to Youlin about his journey, the musical scene in Pakistan and the importance of folk music.

    How and when did you first get into music and why did you choose the flute in particular?

    I think my musical inclinations go further back than my memory. I was always fascinated by music and as a teenager, I eventually became part of an underground band with some friends, performing small gigs here and there in Karachi. Although I had a small Bansuri lying in my cupboard for years, I only started playing it in 2013, and was very fortunate to become a disciple of the legendary Ustad Salamat Hussain from whom I continue to learn the instrument, along with ‘Shastriya Sangeet’, which is an older name for South Asian ‘classical’ music. I also learn a lot from my colleagues, Ustad Sajid Hussain and Ustad Khurshid Hussain and recently started taking lessons from Kartikeya Vashist, a promising young flutist from Delhi.

    Ustad Salamat Hussain

    I just love the sound of the Bansuri and how it emulates the human voice. I am enchanted by its history, its mythology, its portability, its simplicity, and its ability to communicate in any language and style. These are just some of the many things that make this instrument such an important part of my life.

    How did your band, Taranum, come into being, and how did you connect with your listeners during lockdown?

    Taranum was formed when I was studying and living in Heidelberg, Germany. It came together with the Moroccan vocalist and percussionist, Reda Essamlali. We even lived together in the same house for almost two years, listening to and learning from one another’s musical inheritances, whilst sharing a love for jazz and other contemporary genres. We started performing mostly as a duo at venues like the Karlstarbahnof in Heidelberg and the ZPKM in Freiburg, right to the end of 2018, when I moved back to Karachi.

    Playing the Chinese Hulusi flute at Karlstarbahnof Heidelberg (PC Basmah Zaidi)

    I met the phenomenal Tabla player Waqas Gulab, in Karachi, who has now completed our trio. We have been busy forging a sound of our own, and composing and practicing music together. We did have a summer tour in Europe lined up, which was unfortunately cancelled because of COVID-19. But hopefully, we will go play concerts again and continue to work on our debut album, which will feature guest musicians too.

    Tell us about your journey as a musician. What has the experience been like, and what were some of your most memorable moments?

    Although I have been playing music for 15 years, I feel like my serious musical journey has only just begun. It’s been a wild ride with a lot of changing genres, instruments, and styles. But now I feel like I’m training the way I wish I had trained as a child. I feel grateful for having so many wonderful teachers in my life today, some of whom are musicians that I am fortunate to play with.

    I think the time that I played music in Germany was very special, specifically because of the vibrancy of the music scene in Europe, and the number of opportunities that were there to play in new and different environments. In Karachi, I also really enjoy playing with the band “Towers”, with whom I performed at this year’s Lahore Music Meet and True Brew Records in Lahore. As musicians, they give me the freedom to play the Bansuri in different styles, and to improvise live on their songs. This year, I also had the honor of accompanying the world-famous Alghoza (a traditional Sindhi woodwind instrument) master from Sindh, Akbar Khamiso Khan, for his performance at the Lahooti Melo, and that is definitely the memory of a lifetime.

    Ready to perform at the Lahore Music Meet 2020 with Towers

    Tell us about Karachi Community Radio (KCR).

    KCR can often be a confusing thing for a lot of people, because it isn’t anything like a traditional radio at all. It’s a community initiative spearheaded by Jahanzeb Safder Khawaja and me, bringing together different artists from various disciplines such as visual/digital arts/sculpture/dance/ design, to co-produce experimental shows which are then live-streamed for free. Each show is an attempt to push creative boundaries in the city, and put together something unlikely to happen in most commercial initiatives.

    What does the future look like for folk music in Pakistan?

    Rather than making predictions, I would like to use this question to reflect on what the term ‘folk music’ means. If we understand it to mean as ‘music of the people’, then all music would be folk music. But I think the term has come to denote ‘traditional’ music, particularly looked at from the lens of an outsider. If one was to delve further into the term ‘folk music’, we would find that it has been a category that has historically marginalized poor people and oral traditions in contrast to the ‘classical’. Many people don’t know that what they call ‘folk’ music is the actual source of many different genres of music, including the ‘classical’ itself. If we then think of folk music in those terms, passed down from generation to generation, then it is obvious that this kind of music will certainly live forever.

    Daniyal Ahmed (right) sharing the stage with Akbar Khamiso Khan at the Lahooti Melo 2020

    Those interested can follow Daniyal on Instagram, like Taraunum’s Facebook page. Those who wish to tune into Karachi Community Radio, can check out their YouTube Page or follow them on Instagram.


    As the new year begins, let us also start anew. I’m delighted to extend, on behalf of the Embassy of the People’s Republic of China in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and in my own name, new year’s greeting and sincere wishes to YOULIN magazine’s staff and readers.

    Only in hard times can courage and perseverance be manifested. Only with courage can we live to the fullest. 2020 was an extraordinary year. Confronted by the COVID-19 pandemic, China and Pakistan supported each other and took on the challenge in solidarity. The ironclad China-Pakistan friendship grew stronger as time went by. The China Pakistan Economic Corridor projects advanced steadily in difficult times, become a standard-bearer project of the Belt and Road Initiative in balancing pandemic prevention and project achievement. The handling capacity of the Gwadar Port has continued to rise and Afghanistan transit trade through the port has officially been launched. The Karakoram Highway Phase II upgrade project is fully open to traffic. The Lahore Orange Line project has been put into operation. The construction of Matiari-Lahore HVDC project was fully completed. A batch of green and clean energy projects, such as the Kohala and Azad Pattan hydropower plants have been substantially promoted. Development agreement for the Rashakai SEZ has been signed. The China-Pakistan Community of Shared Future has become closer and closer.

    Reviewing the past and looking to the future, we are confident to write a brilliant new chapter. The year 2021 is the 100th birthday of the Communist Party of China (CPC) and the 70th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between China and Pakistan. The 100-year journey of CPC surges forward with great momentum and China-Pakistan relationship has flourished in the past 70 years. Standing at a new historic point, China is willing to work together with Pakistan to further implement the consensus reached by the leaders of the two countries, connect the CPEC cooperation with the vision of the “Naya Pakistan”, promote the long-term development of the China-Pakistan All-weather Strategic Cooperative Partnership with love, dedication and commitment. Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the founding father of Pakistan said, “We are going through fire. The sunshine has yet to come.” Yes, Pakistan’s best days are ahead, China will stand with Pakistan firmly all the way.

    YOULIN magazine is dedicated to promoting cultural exchanges between China and Pakistan and is a window for Pakistani friends to learn about China, especially the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region. It is hoped that with the joint efforts of China and Pakistan, YOULIN can listen more to the voices of readers in China and Pakistan, better play its role as a bridge to promote more effectively people-to-people bond.

    Last but not least, I would like to wish all the staff and readers of YOULIN a warm and prosper year in 2021.

    Nong Rong Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of
    The People’s Republic of China to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
    January 2021